When the cult decides to 'ex' someone, how quickly can it be done from the discovery of the misdemeanour? & what's the process? Does the individual have to attend a 'Court of Love' or can it just be done? & is there any kind of public announcement in one of their meetings or do they just rely on the rumour mill for it to get out into their community? What happens to the tithing? Will they still accept the cash from someone who still wants to be a member (yeah, I know, bit daft if anyone wanted to continue to hand over their hard earned.....) but not a lot makes much sense as far as this lot are concerned.

The person does NOT need to attend the court of love. It will happen without them. The process all depends on how fast the Bishop or Stake President organizes the court (Stake President, Bishop, Ward Clerk and any witnesses). Once that is organized and paperwork is filed, they usually hold the court in either the Bishop or Stake President's office.

The court is a "kangaroo court" where no defense can be mounted and evidence is ignored. Generally the decision has already been made and the court is a formality of "business" as set forth by the CHI. If you are not there, they make their decision immediately. If you are there, you are then grilled by the Bishop or Stake President over all of the alleged "deeds" you have committed. Basically it is a confirmation of the alleged deeds where you agree or disagree on whether you did it. Unfortunately, many times this breaks down as the B/SP will demand all the sordid details. I have accounts on the Mormon Curtain of a Bishop who demanded every minute detail of a sexual affair a woman had. She was coerced into stating every sexual act, including number of orgasms, who did what, how they did it. She even commented that the Second Counselor had a "wet spot" on his crotch during the interview.

Regardless - the court will then boot you out of the room (if you are there) and finalize their decision. They then bring you back in and tell you what they're going to do. Either dis-fellowship, excommunication or suspension of abilities (such as temple recommend, taking the sacrament, teaching, speaking, praying aloud).

You then receive a formal letter from the B/SP reiterating the results from the meeting. If it is excommunication, it requires that you be re-baptized in order to restore status and so-called "blessings".

As to your second question on announcement - this is formally up to the B/SP. They used to announce it in sacrament meeting. It is bad enough you had to sit there, unable to speak, unable to pray, unable to teach, unable to bless, unable to take the sacrament - but then to have the congregation be told you've been ex'd is the final kicker. While I've heard it doesn't happen much anymore, it still does happen.

As to your third question on tithing - no, they cannot accept tithing from someone who is not a member or a member that is excommunicated. This is directly in the CHI. However, fast offerings are still accepted. Generally the member is asked to create a bank account - and deposit their tithing they should be paying. Once the member is reinstated - the back tithing should then be paid. A member will never, EVER get out of paying tithing, EVER. Tithing is the #1 rule in the Mormon cult. Everything in the cult revolves around tithing. Tithing is the highest law and #1 rule.

Best if you are running down this road and you're questioning Mormonism anyway - resign - immediately. It stops this process completely.

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Thank you for that comprehensive response. What would be the timescale for this to happen? The Bish is the son of the individual involved & the 'transgression' came to light on Sunday evening. I had a text on Monday saying they'd be ex'd by the end of the week & another on Wednesday saying that their mistakes had been confessed in great detail to the Bish & the Stake President. Your own son sitting in judgement on you? This is a vulnerable person who's coming under immense pressure - it's absolutely vile. Another text - ' I know how wrong I've been in my life & I need to put things right' - the worst thing this person's done is pick up some points for speeding. I tried to persuade them on Monday to get a resignation in as you've advised but they've been completely swamped in guilt by the brainwashing. There'd been a healthy paying of lip service to the demands of the cult, a refreshing slackening off of the attitude but it looks like this has been really frowned on due to the relationship to the Bish & the heavy duty indoctrination's been wheeled out. Shocking treatment.

The timeline is up to the B/SP. If they follow the CHI, then I believe a formal letter has to be drafted, signed by both the B/SP and mailed to the individual.

If this person is still under heavy guilt, then it will probably be improbable - impossible - to get them to resign.

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Being a sinner among Mormons is not an acknowledgement of humanness, but willful disobedience by someone chosen. Being fallible was not OK. Perfection was the expectation. The judgments of her were fairly constant though unspoken. Life moved on as it does, but her actions were not forgotten.

I came across this extract on another part of the site. How desperately, desperately sad.

Called to (& attended) the 'hearing' last night. So, all within 2 weeks. Apparently, there were 15 'worthy' members in attendance & the outcome was ex-communication. What I'm gobsmacked by is why anyone, knowing that this is the probable course of events, would even bother to turn up. At the very least, you'd just not bother to go. Or really have fun & tell them to shove their procedures up their self-righteous jacksies. Some therapy for masochism desperately needed I think

Well now they go on probation for a long time which is whenever the Bishop and Stake President decide the time is up. The person will have to attend, but will be unable to even speak in class. Will be unable to teach, pray, bless, pay tithing - and worse, not even be able to take the sacrament. So he will have to pass it up each time it comes across his lap. Such a bunch of crap. The person will need "First Presidency Permission" in order to be re baptized.

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So they have to turn up every Sunday for the full 3 hours, basically just to show that they're there? Will they have to undergo extra indoctrination? To my 'nevermormonised' mind, this all appears just a bit risky in the sense that how do the cult know that ex'd members are likely to play along with the guilt tripping & come back into the fold? How is it all managed to minimise the numbers who, after allowing themselves to be put through the initial process & get ex'd, then decide it's all too boring/bonkers to be ar**d with, just don't bother & leave? I'm guessing that family pressure comes in somewhere - if they leave, the family could turn away from them but if they're 'striving' to repent, it's some kind of spiritual challenge for the family to get them back on track? Even weirder if it's been family pressures & skewed family dynamics that've sent them off 'sinning' in the first place.

Would be interested to hear from other members of this forum what their response to the ex-ing process has been.

Yes, they have to attend the full 3 hour block. Most likely they will be counseled to put their unpaid tithing in a bank account so they can back-pay it when they are rebaptised. One never gets out of paying tithing.

No they won't have extra indoctrination but the Bishop will be in charge with meeting them on a weekly basis (or some other time set aside) to ensure that the "sins" are no longer occurring. Because remember: In Mormonism, you are never forgiven unless you never commit the sin again. And if you do sin again, ALL the former sins return to you as if you had never repented. It is the worst heaping of guilt I have ever been involved in. A big flip-you to Spencer Kimball.

When I was excommunicated decades ago, I didn't leave. I came back and was re-baptized. Why? Because I thought it was the truth. I didn't know all of the things that I know now. I thought these were men of God, lead by God, instructed by God and it was God's will. The Cult of Mormonism has powerful sway over members.

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Some time back, not really wanting to go through the weeks-long (sometimes months-long process of resignation, I was thinking of writing my old ward asking to be exed because I was now a High Priest of witchcraft...then waiting the short time for records to be sent to my nearest ward for a court. Then showing up with black t shirt, black slacks, and pentagram out in full view. It would be grand to see those anal-retentive old f**ts' eyes go wide!

LOL a good thought, but with resignation, I went on record as thinking for myself and not giving these Nazi-like goons any putative power or authority over me.

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"If you must pay to get into Heaven, it's not the Heaven for you."
"I don't know that we teach that."

I seriously could be ex'd for something similar to that. I had a friend that got ex'd because he said he spoke to angels. But you really don't even need to go that far. Just say you talk to Moroni and that would probably be enough.

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Yeah that'd work too. But I've sent in my papers complete with the threat of legal action (that'll get the legal dept. on Member Records' ass to speedo things up) and sent letters to the editor of Salt Lake Tribune and Deseret News. Yeah verily I tell thee my wait shall not be long and COB will verify what my heart hath told me: that this "church" is in the sh*ts! So no more at present LOL.

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"If you must pay to get into Heaven, it's not the Heaven for you."
"I don't know that we teach that."