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photoman
Post  Post subject: Biblical history VS Mormon History ?  |  Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:56 pm
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I have read several posts on this site showing the lack of historical facts, and tangible evidence regarding the book of mormon. I have really appreciated all of the comments.
Yet today, I read the following article regarding Biblical history :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43695120/ns/technology_and_science-science/?gt1=43001

As mormons, how can believers put so much faith in their book that has no recordable history with it ?
It seems that digs throughout the world seem to dovetail with Bible history,artifacts, and recordable history match up with what is in this book.
Yet, the bom has nothing !
What process of logic do mormons really follow in order to accept, and digest what is contained in the bom.

I'm not trying to start an arguement here, the whole mormon thought process always gets lost to me when I read
articles like the one above.
Thank you for your comments.


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richkelsey.org
Post  Post subject: Re: Biblical history VS Mormon History ?  |  Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:44 pm
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photoman wrote:
As mormons, how can believers put so much faith in their book that has no recordable history with it ?
It seems that digs throughout the world seem to dovetail with Bible history,artifacts, and recordable history match up with what is in this book.
Yet, the bom has nothing !
What process of logic do mormons really follow in order to accept, and digest what is contained in the bom.

Hi photoman,

The Book of Mormon itself is evidence. How did it come about?

One praying concerning this question may have personal revelation which is also proof.

Then, there is the matter of agency: if artifacts were found which proved the Book of Mormon to be true, then there would be little to no need for faith. When one says, “I know the Book of Mormon is true” he or she does so according to faith, personal revelation, thought, study, etc.

This great faith would be diminished if people had solid evidence to point to.

In the meantime may I point you to a page containing questionable evidence:

http://richkelsey.org/book_of_mormon_ar ... al_fil.htm

This could be what remains of a Nephite sword!!!!!

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"Asking God if a story is true, with the only acceptable answer being, 'Yes,' may not be a sound method to finding God’s guidance in the matter." — Rich Kelsey
http://richkelsey.org/joseph_smith's_first_vision.htm


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Abinadi
Post  Post subject: Re: Biblical history VS Mormon History ?  |  Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:50 pm
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photoman wrote:
What process of logic do mormons really follow in order to accept, and digest what is contained in the bom.
The processes called "self-delusion" and "cognitive dissonance." I mean that respectfully, since that was the logic I once lived by, too.


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sleepyhead
Post  Post subject: Re: Biblical history VS Mormon History ?  |  Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:45 am
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photoman wrote:
I have read several posts on this site showing the lack of historical facts, and tangible evidence regarding the book of mormon. I have really appreciated all of the comments.
Yet today, I read the following article regarding Biblical history :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43695120/ns/technology_and_science-science/?gt1=43001

As mormons, how can believers put so much faith in their book that has no recordable history with it ?
It seems that digs throughout the world seem to dovetail with Bible history,artifacts, and recordable history match up with what is in this book.
Yet, the bom has nothing !
What process of logic do mormons really follow in order to accept, and digest what is contained in the bom.

I'm not trying to start an arguement here, the whole mormon thought process always gets lost to me when I read
articles like the one above.
Thank you for your comments.

Hello photoman,
Your comparing apples to oranges. The BOM isn't the core belief of TBM's. It's belief in there leadership. For most Christian denominations the core belief would be the bible. In forums, christians will argue for or against a particular interpretation of the bible and they'll fill up the page with bible quotes. In a mormon forum any disagreement will be resolved based on what the leadership have said.


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liz3564
Post  Post subject: Re: Biblical history VS Mormon History ?  |  Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:16 pm
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Abinadi wrote:
photoman wrote:
What process of logic do mormons really follow in order to accept, and digest what is contained in the bom.
The processes called "self-delusion" and "cognitive dissonance." I mean that respectfully, since that was the logic I once lived by, too.


Actually, to be fair, isn't cog-dis practiced in MOST organized religions? For example kids go to Sunday School (any Christian Sunday School) and are taught that the Lord created the earth in 7 days, that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman on the earth, the Lord created woman out of Adam's rib, etc., etc.

Then, those same kids go to school. They are taught that the earth is over a billion years old. Life evolved over millions of years. Dinosaurs roamed the earth, etc.

Kids are taught to "shelve" religions beliefs from a young age, let's face it!

I'm not saying that it's necessarily right...but I don't think we can exclusively blame the Mormon Church for this phenomenon. If anything, the LDS Church has gone out of their way to try to explain some of these disconnects. Of course, I think they have gotten into trouble trying to do that. It becomes even more illogical than if they had just left it alone and said, "This is what we study at Church. This is what you study at school. The twain will never meet. They're different. God loves everyone. Just leave it alone!" :-D


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rocmonkey
Post  Post subject: Re: Biblical history VS Mormon History ?  |  Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:39 pm
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photoman wrote:
I have read several posts on this site showing the lack of historical facts, and tangible evidence regarding the book of mormon. I have really appreciated all of the comments.
Yet today, I read the following article regarding Biblical history :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43695120/ns/technology_and_science-science/?gt1=43001

As mormons, how can believers put so much faith in their book that has no recordable history with it ?
It seems that digs throughout the world seem to dovetail with Bible history,artifacts, and recordable history match up with what is in this book.
Yet, the bom has nothing !
What process of logic do mormons really follow in order to accept, and digest what is contained in the bom.

I'm not trying to start an arguement here, the whole mormon thought process always gets lost to me when I read
articles like the one above.
Thank you for your comments.



The first thing new (or young) LDS do is believe what they are told (by the Missionaries) because they make it sound so wonderful and believeable. Then they believe because they are told its all true by their leaders. Then it becomes a full brain washing. And, lastly, it becomes a delusuional experience requiring feelings to override facts (evidence). No offense is intended but this is usually how Mormons 'believe' Mormonism.

One of my mottos is 'Follow the facts (evidence) whatever it says and wherever it leads. If there are no verifiable evidences to look at and prove then it isn't true. The Bible never speaks of feelings as a way to learn or know the truth or that something is true. The Bible is clear that we are to search to know what the truth is (Acts 17:11). Another motto is: Never contradict clear Scripture.


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