Wow, Channel 2 news here in Utah is running this tonight at 10pm as their first story. What was one of the first quotes they used? Daniel C. Peterson's quote From 12/20/2006:



The cult needs to rein him in. His comments all over the place are coming back.

http://connect2utah.com/news/top-storie ... _380.shtml



Directly out of the horse's mouth.

IMO, I believe the Cult will never stop the practice. It also won't tell chapel Mormons to stop doing baptisms for dead Jews. And the reason being is that the temple is a money maker for the Cult. If Mormons don't go to the temple, the cult doesn't make any money. To go to the temple a member MUST pay. So the cult plays up marriage, sealings, ordinances and so forth to get the member to go to the temple. Then, to keep the member coming back to the temple, the cult set up ordinances for the dead and convinced members they were blessing dead people by doing so. This sets up a cycle of cash flow into the Cult and fuzzy feelings for the members.

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Yeah, saw this on the noon news. Heere we go!

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Many times there are behavioral situations, much like ingrained warm fuzzies, or habits of practice, that are very hard to disengage from...especially when it comes to maintaining that all important lucre flow into the COB.

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Simply a case of TBM's going above and beyond the call. I mean, Anne Frank. You just look at her picture and get weepy.

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What seemed strange to me, is on Fox news last night, they asked a rabbi to come on to talk about the whole situation. He said that he was not upset and it didn't matter that she was baptized mormon.

He said because it was posthumously performed, it didn't mean anything and she is still considered Jewish. OBVIOUSLY!

It kinda makes me mad that they didn't pick a rabbi who had a problem with this, and spoke his mind about it. Almost like they had to say "see, if even the leaders of the Jews don't care, we can keep doing this!" and it seemed to be bent in a pro-mormon apologetic direction. Now, they did say that the church did not approve, and some members had to "work really hard" to get around the system. Really!??

I didn't read about this story anywhere else, so I dont know how channels or sites like KSL tried to spin this.

I watched a story about this on CNN.
It reinforces Mormonism = cult.

Yes, it doesn't really change anything but it is insulting to the Jews, God's chosen people, to baptize them into some other religion because for some reason they "need" it.

This baptism for the dead stuff is a crock anyway. A careful look at 1 Cor 15 will show that Paul is against this practice. He's not saying that "we" baptize for the dead but "they" are baptized for the dead. Who is the "they" in verse 29? It's the people who don't believe in resurrection (verse 12). Paul is just pointing out their hypocracy.

Besides, any good Book of Mormon loving Mormon knows that there is not teaching of it in the book that contains the fullness of the gospel and any they will know that there is no second chance.



Peace

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"For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad." - Luke 8:17

The Mormon apologists are pushing the line that it was Anti-Mormons that submitted and possibly had this work done to make the cult look bad. Even today on local station 101.9 the two Mormon DJ's were regurgitating this nonsense.

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Gettin' pretty bad, when you have to rely(blame it) on subversive 'Moles' to help wipe the egg off your face. Pretty soon the LD$ rumor mill will produce yet another conspiracy theory to ponder....

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"Just because you think, feel, or believe something is true, doesn't make it true!"

"The doubt of your faith, is not God testing you, but truth trying to emerge and free you."

It's getting hard to tell who the mormons are and who the anti-Mormons are. I was just reading today how the Cowdery got blamed for 1835 D&C Section 101 being added and how the scribes and printers are blamed for the errors and typo's in the 1833 BoM.

Even the very elect will be lead astray.
Follow the prophet.
God will never let the prophet lead the people astray.
God might let one of the 12 lead the people astray, because they are not "the" prophet, they just hold the keys.
If a current prophet contradicts a previous prophet, it's because God is changing his mind or releasing new light and knowledge or restoring an ancient law that was fulfilled, became empied (spiritual legal evaporation?) and needs to be fulfilled again or maybe a term just needs to be defined in a new and faith promoting way.

Peace

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"For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad." - Luke 8:17

For information purposes, I am posting this post from the boing-boing thread.
The second link is a view of the church record showing Ann Frank's most recent ordinance work.

Personally, if baptism helps, I think all dead people should be baptized.
First, however, they need to hear the gospel message and repent, right?
So why aren't there "missionary lesson" ordinances and "repentance" ordinances in Mormon Temples?
Think of the added revenue and tighter control through the guilt by association that temple mormons will feel.

Let's take this a step further. Anne Frank has now been dead dunked 9 times: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/mormons-posthumous-baptism-anne-frank_n_1292102.html Does this mean that each time she's been baptized, she's in the spirit world rejecting it, so they have to do it again?

Of course, there are all of the souls who have "converted" to Mormonism in the afterlife, but because their names are not recorded any where, they are stuck in purgatory until God starts delivering their names to the prophet in the millennium. Seems very unfair that famous people have multiple baptisms, while the poor anonymous working class folks of long ago stay stuck and unbaptized.

Why couldn't the Mormons start to do like attorneys do when filing lawsuits? ... and John Does 1 thru 100, and Jane Does 1 thru 100. The teenage Mormon would go into the temple and instead of a particular name being identified, he or she gets baptized for and on behalf of John Doe number 1. Next time: for and on behalf of John Doe number 2, and so forth. Then, as gets done when an attorney needs to identify an actual person, it would be up to God to decide which dunking gets applied to which dead person.

The Mormon Church keeps their TBM's coming back to rescue dead folks, but now it is being done anonymously. Then during the millennium, God can update the records here on earth by telling the prophet who he has already applied these anonymous baptisms to.

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Wm, I like the idea. It's like baptism storage. When a spirit is converted and ready to accept baptism, they go to the baptism storage facility and check to see if there is a spare baptism for them to accept. If so, lucky them, they claim that baptism for themselves and then on to eternal perfection.

peace

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"For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad." - Luke 8:17

Oh my gosh. I can't begin to integrate this into my tiny brain!
"baptism storage"
"literally like flying coach"
"circumcising all dead mormons".

There is so much (excuse me) meat, here, for all kinds of responses, jokes, insights.

Even if you do not like Colbert, and never watch him, I honestly do believe you will like this clip.
If you have held off seeing it, go ahead, go back to the link, and watch it.

It may be hard to understand, due to the "deep theology" (Gordon B. Hinckley),
and due to limitations on explaining the process in detail due to the "sacred nature" of the ordinance
- a good Jew is not about to just go tell anyone about circumcision, outside of the properly prepared bar mizvah -
but I assure you, this was a very genuine, effective ceremony, welcoming the lost tribes of Israel - "The Mormons" -
back into the embrace of true Judaism.

Dead Mormons, rejoice! For this day you have been restored to the Kingdom
established by God the Father ("and that's it") through his holy, ordained mouth-pieces,
Moses and Aaron, Joshua and King David. And that most popular of Jews, Jesus of Nazareth.
Welcome home!

Now you should visit the true temple, the only temple with which [he] the Lord is well pleased, the one in Jerusalem.
Forget about the rest. And send your tithes directly to Jerusalem now, no more to those uncircumcised, Torah-ignorant goyim. Lose those gonifs.

Hava nagila!

If it wasn't such a deeply disrespectful, arrogant activity....it'd be just plain bonkers........the whole notion's odd.