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  Post  Post subject: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:30 pm
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Looking for a support group for those who have also felt & still feel more harmed by having to play along w/ annual upcoming Santa Claus myth. Folks who are tired & burnt out of feeling pressured to buy gifts they can't afford & cook for folks they can't stand to be around, & feign holiday cheer on top of that. Any suggestions from like-minded fellow grinches out there? {:-D

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Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:02 pm
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And after all those 'wonderful traditionl family get to gethers' I thought I was the only one feeling that way!

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Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:37 am
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But......but.......but............

Even though my parents were from Norway and really never had good memories of that place, when they were alive we used to do Father Christmas.

My parents were not catholic, they were converted mormons (at a very early age both were adopted by mormon families) but they told me of a tradition they did in their village. The feast of St. Nicholas is on December 5. St. Nicholas was the 'saint' that gave poor girls their dowery so they could marry. Nicholas was martyred on December 5 (per the new calendar) hence his feast day. I am not an expert in the Catholic Church, but as I understand it, the 'saints' days are a celebration of when the person departed this veil of tears.

St. Nicholas visits homes of children on the eve of his feast. He is taken from place to place in a sleigh driven not by reindeer, rather a donkey. Children on that night (December 4) put out their slippers outside the front door and leave straw or carrots to feed St. Nicholas' donkey. Good children are given a small gift or candy. Naughty children are given rocks or lumps of coal. In addition to the rocks or coal, Nicholas has a 'Dark Helper,' known as a Krampus, armed with switches for parents to correct naughty children. Particularly evil children are put in sacks and taken to the liar of Krampus to be eaten for Christmas Dinner.

Krampus traditions go as far south as Croatia and is a small part of Yule celebrations in the cold dark north of Scandinavia. In Scandinavia, they also have a Yule Goat. There are as many roles for the Yule goat as there are regions in Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Norway. My parents told me the goat was an invisible creature that would check up on families to ensure preparations for Christmas were done. In Norway, the goat is a prank. A person (unnoticed by the neighbors) would 'jinx' a neighbor by placing a straw goat on the front door. A person so 'jinxed' would in turn 'jinx' another neighbor in the same manner. My parents never told me what happened when the person 'got stuck' with the goat on Christmas.

To my parents, Christmas Eve was the big day. We made sure any cows were milked early and the chores were complete because Christmas Eve dinner was the big spread. Since we had cattle on the farm, every meal was beef; Christmas Eve was ham. A neighbor raised pigs. That neighbor also did his own slaughtering, curing and smoking. My Dad would trade for a ham. The neighbor always used apple wood for smoking. Not just any apple wood, it had to be Arkansas Black apple wood.

My first Christmas being married, I had that neighbor send me a ham packed in dry ice. Another one I used to do, but it was not any fun without kids, was the Christmas Pickle. Although he is 16 now, I used to do the Christmas pickle with my 'surrogate' son (a long story best left for another time) and his cousins when they would come to my house or my friends house for Chistmas. The Christmas Pickle is put on the tree by Santa when he leaves his presents. Children on Christmas day are not to run in and devour the presents first thing; they are to look for the pickle. This is 'supposed' to make children stop and admire the tree and its decoration, not focus on the "wrapped with care" presents. The child that finds the pickle get the 'Pickle Present" which is usually a small trinket.


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Abinadi
Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:53 pm
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Early on, I explained to my children about the historical "Saint Nicholas". I also explained, suitable to their ages, year by year, that Santa Claus was, I forget how I said it now, but something like, Santa Claus was Daddy and Mommy's love for you. After the first few years of mythical magic that all children believe in, they understood. They weren't hurt by it. They believed in Santa Claus; it's just that they realized that Santa Claus was a special name used at Christmas time, for how much their parents love them.


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Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:19 am
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I love Christmas and Santa Claus. And love that my children are enjoying it. And my daughter is very smart and she is starting to piece it together. And when she does, we'll hug and Christmas will go on and still remain fun.

Unlike religion where children are still forced to believe, forced to go to church.

It's a magical time with magical thinking that comes without consequences - because it isn't forced. It's just fun to believe and no harm has been done to me or my children.

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Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:09 am
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As a kid I didn't feel harmed by it at all, I enjoyed it! As an adult I just don't like all the pressure & expectations involved, esp. from more worldly relatives which we thankfully don't have to put up w/ anymore due to geographical distance. Fortunately my hubby & I agreed to keep it simple & set a budget this year. So most of the stress is finally off, we're just alot lonelier now. But, I'd rather be alone than put up w/ all those unreasonable & demanding folks who just want to use us for babysitting, cooking & gifts :(

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Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:55 pm
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The image we have of Santa - in his red and white suit and his cherubic smile - I just heard or read somewhere that that image began as a "mascot" of Coca-Cola! It must have been quite a while ago. I remember very young, before I could read, seeing his image in magazines. Like Infymus said, it was all magical. One of my favorite songs back then was, "I wish that I were Santa Claus". I asked my Mom, i"If that is Santa singing that, why does he say he wishes he was Santa Claus?" She explained it wasn't Santa; it was a man who loved his children so much that he wished he could give them "a whole department store."

Okay, maybe a slight correction. I didn't start explaining that Santa was the way that parents show their love until my children could actually talk to me about it. So it wasn't like from birth. ") They had plenty of Santa Claus Christmases. One cold Christmas Eve, I got all the bells I could, tied them all together, and went outside - brrr - shaking the bells at one window, then darting to another side of the house and shaking them there, and doing that a couple of times. They were pretty excited. But they went to sleep okay anyway. That was a fun Christmas. They all were.

Once we cut out the Easter Bunny's footprints, and another time Santa's, and put them on the floor, and said, "Oh, look, the Easter Bunny has been here!" That was a riot. They got very serious about leaving milk and cookies out for Santa on Christmas Eve - and the Easter Bunny one Easter Eve! :)


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Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:40 am
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Well, it's sort of like the election- my neverLDS hubby & neverLDS friends tell me they don't care about Mormon church or what my bishop or youth leader did to me- the election is ONLY about the economy & federal budget to them! Likewise my overly reproductive relatives don't get that I don't really care about ANY of my nieces, nephews, or ANY kid unless I get paid for it. But, I'm NOT going to pay anymore to help them perpetuate the Santa myth. There's no polite way to tell people childcare was just a business to me

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Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:32 am
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I think Santa Claus is perfect, because to me now, Jesus is just the grown-up version of Santa Claus. He knows when you are sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness' sake.

If I had been born in a religious home, I might have put two-and-two together a long, long time ago and not spent 30 years in the Mormon Church. My little brain was always thinking.

I would have gone, "Okay, so you're telling me that Santa isn't real. The Easter Bunny isn't real either? The Tooth Fairy isn't real? But Jesus still is?" If they said, "No, Jesus still is," I'd look at them suspiciously and wonder how old I had to be for them to tell me that invisible hero wasn't real either.

That's precisely why, as a Mormon, I wasn't going to ever tell my kids that Santa was real. I'd teach it as a Christmas story instead, so as not to confuse them later when I told them that their invisible heroes weren't real. Of course, I never had kids, so that plan never needed to be put into action.

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Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:18 am
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True rainfeather- bornagain Christians & my dad frequently argued against XMas commercialism for that very reason- they fear Santa myth will ruin folk's belief in Jesus l8r. They have a point, but that didn't destroy it for me. For me, my concern w/ ANY overinvolvement w/ other people's kids (for $ or not) is that I don't want to upstage ANY parent as their kid's hero. My grandma, my foster parents, & some of my former teachers unintentionally did that by caring more for me than my birth parents did, but why upstage my in-laws as my nieces & nephew's heroes because they're lazy & broke? There are no free lunches parents- you can delegate your tasks to others but you abdicate your role as your kid's role model & hero as part of the package. Plus, if the parents have any sense at all, they'll repossess the kid & rightfully cut us off when they realize their authority is being threatened.

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The pathetic Mormon version of bastardized Jesus might be more equally matched to SC or good old Saint Nick.

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Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:08 am
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My own experience w/ God resembles Job more than Santa Claus. Being tested amidst adversity as opposed to showered w/ everything I ask for.

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Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:45 am
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To perpetuate the Santa myth, I saved elk feet, which I duct taped to my x-country ski poles and scooted around the house in the night snow, leaving the 'reindeer' tracks and drag marks from the ski's as further evidence of his sled, and a few elk droppings carefully placed in strategic places of interest to continue the fable. Am I bad or what?

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Post  Post subject: Re: The most damaging myth ever told: Santa Claus  |  Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:55 pm
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LOL teoma2! That's funny

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