From behind the bars, calling for no more relations between married members, unless it is between a chosen select few sires that he approves...Looks like he still can't help himself from reaching into any available bedroom. Behind bars now, and still trying to exert hls control.

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"When authority masquerades as a power, a simple question will unmask it."

"Just because you think, feel, or believe something is true, doesn't make it true!"

"The doubt of your faith, is not God testing you, but truth trying to emerge and free you."

It's so sad that he still has that much control.

Now it's even whackier!

http://fox13now.com/2012/06/18/jeffs-re ... -children/

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"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made.'
- George W Bush

"Forget everything that I have said . . . ." Bruce R. McConkie, August 18, 1978

Saintly Prisoner Prophet President (spr'pr'pr) Jeffs desperately needs an entire boatload of psychiatrists.
I have read his revelations. He is not a common criminal.
I think there are severe psychoses living inside his brain.
This contains a revelation demanding he be released. It is part of his appeal:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1LG1w31trK_bVkxbkV1R2otdWc/edit?pli=1

His revelations seem stranger to me than most mormon-type revelations.

I have not found a copy of the "15 fathers" revelation yet.

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It is proper and expected that publications presenting themselves as scholarly be peer-reviewed by a range of experts. That's academic.

It is not proper to demand peer-review for social sites and internet forums.
Such demands are not an academic issue. They are attempts at thought-control and violation of free speech,
by uncivilized braggarts who cannot defeat their critics through persuasive argument.

KSL 5 in SLC, admitted in their presentation that this is part of the ongoing rumor mill productions...but did have connected or involved individuals featured who were trying to extract family members or locate minor children comment on the validity of the information...as far as I know, nothing else has been presented for public awareness on this latest control effort by the incarcerated one....

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"When authority masquerades as a power, a simple question will unmask it."

"Just because you think, feel, or believe something is true, doesn't make it true!"

"The doubt of your faith, is not God testing you, but truth trying to emerge and free you."

Does he actually have any power to run his cult from behind bars?

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"A mind stretched by a new idea can never go back to its original dimensions." - Oliver Wendell Holmes

I'm surprised someone hasn't killed him yet.
Convicted child rapist?
My sweetheart was a probation officer for 23 years and says "it happens".

Never know what the future holds for Warren...even in the correctional facilities I hear that there is a social code or unspoken social order of sorts and people convicted of child abuse/child rape are not highly regarded...maybe someones family member will treat him like Jeff Dahmer.

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"When authority masquerades as a power, a simple question will unmask it."

"Just because you think, feel, or believe something is true, doesn't make it true!"

"The doubt of your faith, is not God testing you, but truth trying to emerge and free you."

Oh, yes!
When the LeBarons were in jail, they were still sending out instructions to blood atone people, including a friend of mine, whom the FBI had to help hide. Jeffs is just as powerful among his devoted followers, and more so now because as a persecuted martyr he is hero.

That goes to show you how when basic everyday information is witheld from the 'outside, evil world' people cannot arrive at logical conclusions...

There is No TV, NO approved radio, No toys, no recreation facilities for the kids, Ever see anybody carrying around a phone or Ipad? Little contact with the outside world....Suppression of information is one mark of a cult...think we can all agree on that.

So when ya take away the information flow, why shouldn't Warren be considered a martyr now? His court record/incriminating evidence is kept away., The recorded sex with minor females was played in court...white nuckle sounds for the jurists..

I do not understand why the prosecuting officials in Texas, didn't bring indictments against the adult females who supported these male members, violating the laws. Seems to me they are guilty by suppporting/assisting in the abuse.

If someone reading knows more, please share here...

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"When authority masquerades as a power, a simple question will unmask it."

"Just because you think, feel, or believe something is true, doesn't make it true!"

"The doubt of your faith, is not God testing you, but truth trying to emerge and free you."

I just bought a new book about this today for my Kindle.... and it's unbelievable. It's called Prophet's Prey: My Seven-Year Investigation Into Warren Jeffs & the FLDS by Sam Brower. The introduction is by Jon Krakauer, who wrote Under the Banner of Heaven.

http://www.amazon.com/Prophets-Prey-Sev ... t%27s+prey

Have any of you heard about Warren Jeffs "Priesthood Record," or something like that? It's basically his journal, and he and the FLDS have been fighting to keep as much of it out of the public record as they possibly can. But, because of his trial... about 1/4 of it is out there. I found it online the other day, and it was absolutely fascinating and unbelievably disturbing. If any of you are interested in the cluster-f**ked world of the FLDS - you might enjoy this.

http://phrecords.wordpress.com/

One thing I found particularly amazing was the way his (a-hem) favorite wife, Naomi, found a way to have a little (very little) power in her relationship with Warren. She would tell Warren that during the night he would have these "religious spells," or something, in his sleep. Then, in the morning, she would brilliantly recount his conversations with God. It was way obvious she was making this crap up, though, to get him to do things she wanted.

So she'd tell Warren things like,

Last night, you were overcome with the Spirit, and I wrote down everything you said.
At 10:30, you said that you thought you should have _______________ get married to _____________.
Then, at 10:45 you said that you were going to solve the problem with _____________ by doing __________________.
Then, at 11:00 you said, 'Yes, Father. Naomi does need a new SUV.'

Of course, I'm paraphrasing & trying to be funny. Nothing was ever said about an SUV, but you get my point. She'd pretend he had these conversations with the spirit, or the Lord, or a magic leprechan while he was unconscious, and he completely bought it! He'd be all,

"Oh... It's so good that you were able to write down the things I said while I was unconscious. You're such an awesome wife, Naomi."

I thought it was so hilariously transparent! But hey... she was smart enough to out-Warren-Jeffs Warren Jeffs, & found a way to make some of her wants happen, in THAT society.

made me laugh . . . thanks!

According to church owned/operted K$L SLC, Browers 8 years of ongoing research,investigations and evidence was used by the Texas prosecutors in building up their case against Warren Jeffs back in Tom Greene County.

As a side note here, the Dept of Justice has begun its own investigation into the alleged civil rights abuses of non members living in the 'Short Creek' area..Looks like that effort will now prempt Utah's AG Mark Shurtleff and Arizona's AG, who seem to be mostly sitting on the legal fence and not seeking current statute enforcements of their own. The Feds have stepped in now...stay tuned for more as it comes out to the press...

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"When authority masquerades as a power, a simple question will unmask it."

"Just because you think, feel, or believe something is true, doesn't make it true!"

"The doubt of your faith, is not God testing you, but truth trying to emerge and free you."

I think it's about time the Feds step in... The things the FLDS have been doing are pretty egregious violations of 1st Ammendment rights. Here's what the Salt Lake Tribune says about it...

t's amazing that the nitwits in Colorado City & Hildale thought they could create a kingdom inside the United States of America, and that it would go unnoticed.)


The complaint filed in Arizona’s U.S. District Court accuses the twin towns of Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah, of "operating as an arm of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints," for at least 20 years. It marks a departure for the federal government, which has until now steered clear of filing cases against FLDS members.

Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff applauded Thursday’s filing, saying he had long sought federal involvement.

"We have offered our full cooperation and collaboration with the Department of Justice to aggressively investigate and address these complaints," he said in a news release.

Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne said he was "very pleased that the U.S. DOJ has taken legal action to join us in this fight" and looks forward to "justice being served."

Allegations of civil rights abuses have long swirled around Hildale and Colorado City and in 2010, then-Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard filed a civil rights complaint in the case of Ronald Cooke, a disabled man who said he and his wife were forced to haul water because the town refused to connect them with running water.

Blending topics...

Wouldn't it be a beautiful think if Obama could engineer a raid on a fLDS polygamist compound and surface all sorts of info about mormon wacky beliefs?

I'm not an Obama lover, but I really would like to see the LDS have to deal with that kind of publicity on an election year. It could force some exciting position questions for Romney.


Peace

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I resigned from the Church of THE Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (Feb 2011)

"For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad." - Luke 8:17

Shurtleff and Horne beaming now that the feds have gotten involved in getting both of them off the hook so to speak..they can now take a back, supportive only seat, and let the DOJ be pointman in the proceedings...typical LD$ performance here to divorce themselves from any public scrutiney..sure distancing themselves(as usual) from any controversy which might reflect in a negative way on their own history.

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"When authority masquerades as a power, a simple question will unmask it."

"Just because you think, feel, or believe something is true, doesn't make it true!"

"The doubt of your faith, is not God testing you, but truth trying to emerge and free you."

"maniacal prophet" is how "Prophet's Prey" describes Jeffs.

I finally just started reading "ESCAPE". Holy cranberry. I did not realize that "abuse" was so prevalent.
Not just the wives got black eyes, but the kids did, too.
If someone got rowdy on the buss, the buss driver would stop, go back and cuff the kid hard enough to knock her head against the window. Some stopped taking the buss, preferring to walk the mile or two to the school
Some mothers were just as bad. And some fathers even worse.
A big, big problem was that the family was sacrosanct. That sounds like a paradox, doesn't it.
Because the family was sacrosanct, beatings were allowed.
It's because of their view of the family and the role of the priesthood-holding man in the family.
The man was the top and final authority within the family itself.
So whatever one man did was his own business.
There were men and women who did not beat their children, and did not approve of it at all.
But because of their religious indoctrination, or teaching, or beliefs,
they believed they had no right (or responsibility) to complain about some other man who did beat his children, or allowed his wives to do the same.
A school principal beat the holy hell out of a lot of kids, until some of the fathers visited him and told him what they thought of his actions.
The problem isn't mormon doctrines, with that group, the Jeffs group.
The problem is: (1) Warren Jeffs. (2) Warren Jeffs. (3) Warren Jeffs.
If he had said something different, or if someone else with a more normal mind and heart had been prophet,
this group would not have gone off this deep end.
It might have gone off another deep end, but not this one.
I don't know what to say about polygamy. Usually it seems destructive. In a couple of cases it seems to have functioned without hurting anyone and maybe helping a few.
But it isn't about polygamy, either.
It's about a - pardon my French - wacko nut - that has all the dogs killed, the toys removed, the books removed, and allows people to beat children black-eyed and nose-bloody.
He is not just "bad". He is a total Lost Cause. Ten years of intense psychiatric counseling might make him qualified to get back into normal (not mormon) society.