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boyscoutunderground
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Nursery
Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:31 pm Posts: 22
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What companies and corporations do Mormons control or profit from either by showing contributions to the Mormon Church or involvement of 50% or more control at the highest level of the company.
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Sirnya
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Goddess of Dragons
Joined: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:06 am Posts: 1237 Location: Penavento
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it really depends, are you wondering if certain companies are owned by the church itself? or just what companies are owned by people who happen to be Mormon. the Marriott hotel chain falls under the latter category.
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Atreides
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Deacon
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Nursery
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boyscoutunderground
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Nursery
Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:31 pm Posts: 22
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Sirnya wrote: it really depends, are you wondering if certain companies are owned by the church itself? or just what companies are owned by people who happen to be Mormon. the Marriott hotel chain falls under the latter category. How can anyone know if the Mormons directly own a company or indirectly?
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Abinadi
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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:23 am Posts: 7259 Location: D&C 101:22-23; Mark 15:38
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(I hope this isn't too irrelevant/irreverent.)http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon410.htmMay be accurate as to companies, though may not be complete, and may have errors. This question always comes up. Quote: Deseret Management Corporation - http://www.deseretmanagement.com/Beneficial Financial Group - http://www.beneficialfinancialgroup.com/Bonneville International - http://www.bonnint.com/Bonneville Communications - http://www.bonneville.com/Bonneville Interactive Services Bonneville Satellite - http://www.bonnevillesatellite.com/35 Radio Stations 1 Television Station (KSL) Deseret Book - http://deseretbook.com/Excel Entertainment - http://www.xelent.com/Deseret Morning News - http://deseretnews.com/dnHawaii Reserves - http://www.hawaiireserves.com/Polynesian Cultural Center (PCC) - http://www.polynesia.com/ and http://www.polynesia.co.jp/La'ie Shopping Center La'ie Park La'ie Cemetary Hukilau Beach Park La'ie Water Company La'ie Treatment Works (sewer) Mstar.net - http://www.mstar.net/preportal/index.aspTemple Square Hospitality - http://www.htsc.net/ and http://www.hoteltsc.com/Weddings (JSMB and Lion House) The Inn at Temple Square - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/Lion House Pantry - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/The Roof Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/The Garden Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/Passages Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/Zions Securities Corporation - http://www.zsc.com/Farm Management Corporation (commericial farms and agricultural properties) Deseret Land and Livestock 200,000 acres of land in Rich, Morgan and Weber counties (Utah) Sun Ranch (Martin's Cove) Deseret Ranches of Florida (Orlando) (largest ranch in Florida) Deseret Farms of California Rolling Hills (Idaho) West Hills Orchards (Elberta, Utah) Cactus Lane Ranch (Arizona) (more) Corporation of the Presiding Bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (CPB) Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Deseret Trust Company LDS Family Services Property Reserves Inc. (PRI) Ensign Peak Advisors - http://www.imno.org/articles.asp?qid=123Deseret Mutual Benefit Administrators (DMBA) - http://www.dmba.com/Brigham Young University (BYU) - http://home.byu.edu/webapp/home/index.jspBYU - Idaho - http://www.byui.edu/BYU - Hawaii - http://www.byuh.edu/index.jspLDS Business College - http://www.ldsbc.edu/and Quote: Nebraska-Farmland Reserve Inc-Rex Ranch
Australia-Agreserves Australia Limited-Kooba Station
Some properties I've found.
Agreserves Australia LTD Kooba Station,Australia. Deseret Ranches of Alberta Raymond,AB Canada Agreserves LTD Cambridge,England AgroReservas, S.C. Los Mochis, Mexico Deseret Farms of CA Woodland, CA Deseret Farms of CA Modesto,CA Deseret Farms of CA Chico,CA South valley Farms Bakersfield, CA Deseret Security Farms Blythe, CA Naples Farms Naples,FL Deseret Cattle & Citrus ST. Cloud, FL Deseret Farms of Ruskin Ruskin, FL Kewela Plantation O'ahu,HI
Rex Ranch Ashby, NE Riverbend Farms ST.Paul, OR Deseret Land & Livestock Woodruff, UT Wasatch-Dixie Farms Elberta, UT Agreserves Cottle CO.,TX Agrinorthwest kennewick,WA Handcart Ranch Alcova, WY Deseret Ranches of Wyoming Cody,WY
Isn't there some mormon-watch site that keeps perfect track of additions and subtractions from mormon businesses?? With ugly details? http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_mormon_money_section_1.htmlhas two interesting articles: Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006, at 07:54 AM Mormon Finances And Charity Posted By nao crer and Tuesday, Apr 4, 2006, at 09:35 AM Newly Called First Quorum Of The Seventy Reveal That LDS Church Is Mostly Concerned With Its Financial Development Posted By Skeptical
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insanad
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Moderator (Retired)
Joined: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:46 pm Posts: 6053 Location: Kolobian highlands
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I was reading recently that several of those high interest check cashing places are owned by LDS people, (not necessarily the church, but run similarly). In the 30s-60s or so the LDS bankers bankrolled many of the casino builders.
There's numerous LDS owned insurance companies including Beneficial Life, which has just closed down any new projects and have in reserve enough to pay old and existing claims but apparently won't be growing much in the near future. Of course all of this should be looked at with an eye for research and verified your own way. I'm just recalling old info without any validating links. Look to Abinadi for any super intelligent validation and cross referencing. I just pass filthy rumors.
_________________ Pissing in the Mormon Koolaide one post at a time. LIE PINOCCHIO!!! LIE!!!!
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Abinadi
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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:23 am Posts: 7259 Location: D&C 101:22-23; Mark 15:38
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Geraldine Ferraro, running for Vice Pres of US, was scrutinized because her husband or she and him owned property which was rented to, among other sorts, apparently a pornographer. That hurt her image. Makes one wonder, of the properties owned by LDSMORG, to what sorts of characters and businesses might they be renting and leasing them......
In other words, not just what does It own, but who is It coddling up to?
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boyscoutunderground
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Nursery
Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:31 pm Posts: 22
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Abinadi wrote: Geraldine Ferraro, running for Vice Pres of US, was scrutinized because her husband or she and him owned property which was rented to, among other sorts, apparently a pornographer. That hurt her image. Makes one wonder, of the properties owned by LDSMORG, to what sorts of characters and businesses might they be renting and leasing them......
In other words, not just what does It own, but who is It coddling up to? This supports my theory that I put up as my last two posts here: http://www.exmormonforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1785 or Introduce Yourself > My Goal
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Stake President
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:27 pm Posts: 572
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_________________ THE TIME WILL COME WHEN NO MAN OR WOMAN WILL BE ABLE TO ENDURE ON BORROWED LIGHT. EACH WILL HAVE TO BE GUIDED BY THE LIGHT WITHIN HIMSELF. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE IT, HOW CAN YOU STAND? - Heber C. Kimball, 1856
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boyscoutunderground
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Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:31 pm Posts: 22
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Abish wrote: Am I reading yellow press? There are lots of people IN THE WORLD who make wrong choices and evil things. But Church of JESUS CHRIST of LDS is GOOD. But evil people will always GOSSIP. Good people do NOT gossip.  Define Good. If you mean any organization that helps others by giving them food, a wife or wives, a job, and insures their safety there are a lot of Good organizations. The issue is with an organization that can not follow their goals / morals. As A Christian person who believes in the entire truth of the Bible I know that attempting to follow your high standards without inviting the Holy Spirit into your heart and having a constant relationship with God where you communicate back and forth is impossible. Living on the edge of the Mormon zone where 50% of Boy Scout Troops are Mormon at most camps and by only traveling a few more miles down south to Camp Morison 99% are Mormons; I have talked to many Mormon scout masters and leaders who have told us (a non Mormon exclusive Boy Scout Troop) that they find fault with the Mormons and do not want to follow their ways any more. Most Mormon Scout Leaders are appointed and their hearts aren't in it and it's not what God's will is for their life sadly. The same is true with the boys. The result is a bunch of people acting very immaturely who don't care about fulfilling the requirements as stated but will do anything just to get home. However I have witnessed a recent thing that is very strange in my area. Most Mormons in my area have rejected the idea of worshiping Joseph Smith or studding him and have come to the conclusion that while the ideals in the book of Mormon are good everything else is a bunch of malarkey and so they have chosen to keep the good ideals and reject the rest and follow the Bible and have a personal relationship with Christ. This is very exciting for me because it means that there are Christian Mormons out there and their numbers are increasing. We have to be careful not to make assumptions about the beliefs of people who call themselves Mormons because many do not agree with the Mormon beliefs, but still attend the Mormon services. I've heard a lot of stories of people who have a revelation from God and know Mormonism is not God's way but feel pressured to stay because of their family. For those of you who have realized the truth keep up the good work, I'm praying for you! God bless.
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Abish
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Stake President
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:27 pm Posts: 572
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boyscoutunderground wrote: Define Good. You define. boyscoutunderground wrote: If you mean any organization that helps others by giving them food, a wife or wives, a job, and insures their safety there are a lot of Good organizations. Sure. I agree. One of them is Church of JESUS CHRIST of LDS. boyscoutunderground wrote: The issue is with an organization that can not follow their goals / morals. Aaaah! boyscoutunderground wrote: As A Christian person who believes in the entire truth of the Bible I know that attempting to follow your high standards without inviting the Holy Spirit into your heart and having a constant relationship with God where you communicate back and forth is impossible. Did I tell you that I don't invite the Holy Ghost in my heart? I don't remember when? boyscoutunderground wrote: Living on the edge of the Mormon zone where 50% of Boy Scout Troops are Mormon at most camps and by only traveling a few more miles down south to Camp Morison 99% are Mormons; I have talked to many Mormon scout masters and leaders who have told us (a non Mormon exclusive Boy Scout Troop) that they find fault with the Mormons and do not want to follow their ways any more. SO WHAT? Who cares what they want or what they don't want? Some people do not want to be christians any more. They become muslims or atheists. They say that christians are the biggest hypocrites in the world. They made lots of wars and killed many great progressive people. SO WHAT? boyscoutunderground wrote: Most Mormon Scout Leaders are appointed and their hearts aren't in it and it's not what God's will is for their life sadly. The same is true with the boys. Yeh, right. Tell this stories to somebody else. boyscoutunderground wrote: The result is a bunch of people acting very immaturely who don't care about fulfilling the requirements as stated but will do anything just to get home. I never met this people, so I do not know if what you say is truth. boyscoutunderground wrote: However I have witnessed a recent thing that is very strange in my area. Most Mormons in my area have rejected the idea of worshiping Joseph Smith or studding him and have come to the conclusion that while the ideals in the book of Mormon are good everything else is a bunch of malarkey and so they have chosen to keep the good ideals and reject the rest and follow the Bible and have a personal relationship with Christ. Good that I don't live in your area. We have different kind of Mormons back here. boyscoutunderground wrote: This is very exciting for me because it means that there are Christian Mormons out there and their numbers are increasing. Not in my area boyscoutunderground wrote: We have to be careful not to make assumptions about the beliefs of people who call themselves Mormons because many do not agree with the Mormon beliefs, but still attend the Mormon services. How many exactly. Give me some numbers. Be more specific. boyscoutunderground wrote: I've heard a lot of stories Don't believe stories. boyscoutunderground wrote: of people who have a revelation from God and know Mormonism is not God's way but feel pressured to stay because of their family. For those of you who have realized the truth keep up the good work, God never told me that. He told me that Church is true. boyscoutunderground wrote: I'm praying for you! God bless. Oh, thanks, the same here. God bless you! 
_________________ THE TIME WILL COME WHEN NO MAN OR WOMAN WILL BE ABLE TO ENDURE ON BORROWED LIGHT. EACH WILL HAVE TO BE GUIDED BY THE LIGHT WITHIN HIMSELF. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE IT, HOW CAN YOU STAND? - Heber C. Kimball, 1856
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boyscoutunderground
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Nursery
Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:31 pm Posts: 22
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Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: Define Good. You define. Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: If you mean any organization that helps others by giving them food, a wife or wives, a job, and insures their safety there are a lot of Good organizations. Sure. I agree. On of them is Church of JESUS CHRIST of LDS. Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: The issue is with an organization that can not follow their goals / morals. Aaaah! Personally I'm non denominational becasue I find no one can or should follow someone else's theology (theory about the truth), denomination, or religion. Christianity isn't a religion, theology, or denomination. It's a belief and a relationship with God and God alone. Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: As A Christian person who believes in the entire truth of the Bible I know that attempting to follow your high standards without inviting the Holy Spirit into your heart and having a constant relationship with God where you communicate back and forth is impossible. Did I tell you that I don't invite the Holy Ghost in my heart? I don't remember when? Nope you never told me that. I'm just not convinced unless you have personally witnessed a Mormon praying for the sick to be healed and it happens instantly and lasts, raising the dead, commanding the weather to change when it needs to, ect. I've witnessed all of these things personally along with others. Mormons profess that only those with the Priesthood can do this. Jesus was the last High Priest. All Christians are His followers and He is our only Priest. We are His brothers. Matthew 23. Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: Living on the edge of the Mormon zone where 50% of Boy Scout Troops are Mormon at most camps and by only traveling a few more miles down south to Camp Morison 99% are Mormons; I have talked to many Mormon scout masters and leaders who have told us (a non Mormon exclusive Boy Scout Troop) that they find fault with the Mormons and do not want to follow their ways any more. SO WHAT? Who cares what they want or what they don't want? Some people do not want to be christians any more. They become muslims or atheists. They say that christians are the biggest hypocrites in the world. They made lots of wars and killed many great progresive people. SO WHAT? Lots of people said they came in Jesus name to promote their own ajenda and still do. Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: Most Mormon Scout Leaders are appointed and their hearts aren't in it and it's not what God's will is for their life sadly. The same is true with the boys. Yeh, right. Tell this stories to somebody else. Then how did the drunk guy get in scouting that I'm about to mention below? Oh and I forgot to mention the child molesters too that I was personally responsible for putting in prison  wasn't a victum) and was mentioned in the paper but the Councel tried to cover it up. Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: The result is a bunch of people acting very immaturely who don't care about fulfilling the requirements as stated but will do anything just to get home. I never met this people, so I do not know if what you say is truth. Well durring my scout career (yes I worked for the scouts for money as well as volunteer) I have cought two boys robbing a Boy Scout store, had to tell routy kids to settle down who would not follow the rules, and told a new Eagle Scout that he should not have recieved his Eagle because he taught kids who were just learning how to speak how to cuss in my presence, and told racist jokes about black people and how they should all be killed and were as worthless as poop, and didn't do anything to help anyone. All mormons. Oh and a scout master who was drunk at a campout who wanted me to let his boy from his troop die from hypothermia in -15 F weather with soaked clothes and told me he would be just fine. Luckely I knew an EMT there who talked some sense into the man. Yes all Mormons. I've witnessed lots and lots of this kind of behaviour personally. Like I said though things are changing around here for the better. Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: However I have witnessed a recent thing that is very strange in my area. Most Mormons in my area have rejected the idea of worshiping Joseph Smith or studding him and have come to the conclusion that while the ideals in the book of Mormon are good everything else is a bunch of malarkey and so they have chosen to keep the good ideals and reject the rest and follow the Bible and have a personal relationship with Christ. Good that I don't live in your area. We have different kind of Mormons back here. Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: This is very exciting for me because it means that there are Christian Mormons out there and their numbers are increasing. Not in my area Good what area is that? I'll have my prayer group pray for that area. Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: We have to be careful not to make assumptions about the beliefs of people who call themselves Mormons because many do not agree with the Mormon beliefs, but still attend the Mormon services. How many exactly. Give me some numbers. Be more specific. I can only tell you that there have been a small number of them locally that have been willing to discuss it with me other than the majority of the scout leaders we met at Camp Morrison. That would have been like 15 - 20 scout leaders. Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: I've heard a lot of stories Don't believe stories. These are testimonies from mostly wives in Mormon families taken directly from them and recorded digitally. I've heard many of them on the radio calling in live to Christian Radio brodcasts asking for advice. Besides (not to be offensive) the book of Mormon is made up of fictional storries. There is no Arkeological evidence to prove that anything in that book ever happened but the Bible is true. (see the Bible VS The Book Of Mormon a video by Mormons for Mormons) Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: of people who have a revelation from God and know Mormonism is not God's way but feel pressured to stay because of their family. For those of you who have realized the truth keep up the good work, God never told me that. He told me that Church is true. Abish wrote: boyscoutunderground wrote: I'm praying for you! God bless. Oh, thanks, the same here. God bless you! 
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Rainfeather
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"Corporation of the Presiding Bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (CPB)"
That's where my paycheques came from when I worked for the Church.
_________________ "A mind stretched by a new idea can never go back to its original dimensions." - Oliver Wendell Holmes
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Infymus
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Joined: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:30 am Posts: 2020 Location: Utah
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boyscoutunderground, if you want answers without Mormons like Abish trolling your response, use The Telestial Forum.
Cheers,
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Mahonri
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In other words, not just what does It own, but who is It coddling up to?
Don't forget the first Principal of the LDS Church: You can buy anything in this world for money.
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Rainfeather
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Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:46 pm Posts: 5677
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Infymus wrote: boyscoutunderground, if you want answers without Mormons like Abish trolling your response, use The Telestial Forum.
Cheers, Yes, this is not really a debating Mormonism issue. A question was simply asked. Such a question can go onto the Telestial forum.
_________________ "A mind stretched by a new idea can never go back to its original dimensions." - Oliver Wendell Holmes
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boyscoutunderground
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Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:31 pm Posts: 22
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I don't know what you mean by Telestial or what that word even means. When I looked it up online it said it was the name for a wireless network company. I don't see that word in our forums.
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Abinadi
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