Then evil is greater than God. It pre-existed God, God requires it in order to function, but evil does not require our God in order to be evil, and evil is an eternal principle enthusiastically embraced by God. Your theology is very screwed up. Bring on the wars and famines and misery! God needs it!Duh.Yes, somebody does know, Abish. Again, you are not qualified to say what is completely not known by every single one of SEVEN BILLION human beings! Especially John and the Three Nephites. I am beginning to wonder if I should ask what sources you have for your knowledge of comparative theology, or the theology of good-and-evil. I suspect you are making it up as you go. Damned straight!

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So, nobody would say that mormons do not tell whole thruth right away. So, nobody would say that mormons have secrets.
We do not talk about it too much for this reason - we DO NOT KNOW MUCH about it, and it is not so important for salvatuon of soul. We just KNOW THIS MUCH. And if we know we may share what we know with others.
But mostly we teach MILK - SPREADING THE GOSPEL that Jesus is the Christ, that He resurrected and that there is true Church of Jesus Christ on earth. That is important thing to know for salvation.


I do not deny anything. May be it is possible. But WE and I don't know. If Brigham Young expressed his opinion that this is the case, then he can do it. At least there is no revelation that whould say that his opinion is wrong.
Personally when I thought about it and asked God He gave me revealtion:"Alla, don't bother me with this question right now. There are other things that are more important for you to know and you don't know them yet.". can you give me a quote where BY teaches that?


OK, you are right. It is possible that all prophets or at least some prophets knew or know.

We don't know now. But we will know later.
Full siblings, half siblings. I don't see any problem with that. The most important that we all we love each other and we will be ONE ETERNAL HAPPY FAMILY.


Because Gods never stop to ORGANIZE unorganized matter it will be earthes like our and it will be Eves and Adams and devils like Lucifer on those earthes from eternity to eternity. Light and darkness are eternal.


If God reveiles to me that my Mother's name is Dana and your mother's name is Tara it will not help me to know who my Mother is. I can not see Her, I can not hear Her. I can not pray to Her but only to Father in the name of Jesus Christ.
Important that I know that I have a Mother in Heaven and She loves me. And that one day I will meet Her. Before I didn't know. But knowledge that there is Mother in Heaven helps me understand that I will have gender after this life. That I will be mother FOREVER not only on earth. That is BEAUTIFUL thing to know. It brings me JOY.
Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ brings me JOY.

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- Heber C. Kimball, 1856

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Then out of what? There are third, forth, fifth,... options? Share with me.

I agree. There is no proof. But can you tell me what is "not matter"? What is the difference in your opinion between matter and "not matter"


We believe that there are two kinds of matter - physical matter and spiritual matter. Both are matter but they are different. May be there are more then these two kinds of matter, but God didn't reveal it to us.
Why God can not be a being of matter? And again what is "not matter"?
What is matter?


Why? Do you think that all matter is the same? Physical matter is made of atoms, for example. What if there is matter that is not made of atoms but of different kind of particle that science didn't discover yet?


I still don't understand what is "not mater". JS and not only him say that what is not matter it just doesn't exist. There is no such thing as "not matter"

I didn't, but there is theory and there are scientists who try to discover as they call it "dark matter". They believe that 75 or 95% of universe is made of this dark matter and dark energy. They try to discover particles of which it is made. They even gave them name, I just forgot.
That is why I belivee as JS taught that spirit is also matter but not physical matter, but more refine matter. We can not see it or hear it or detect it UNLESS God permit us. That is why some people could see angels(spirits). Thatis why we can feel, because our spirit is matter and not emptyness or nothingness.


Got it. I just don't belive it. I don't believe in first cause. I believe in FROM ETERNITY TO ETERNITY. There is no absolute beginning of everything there is no absolute end of everything.
There is no first God, there is no last God. But Gods are FROM ETERNITY meaning NO beginning of Gods TO ETERNITY meaning no end to Gods. I can not understand eternity yet.

I like that. At least in this we are ONE for now.


God has power to do things. This power has name – priesthood. It is possible that He got this power from His Father. Like Jesus got Priesthood power from our and His Father.


Sure, I can apologize. I apologize.

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THE TIME WILL COME WHEN NO MAN OR WOMAN WILL BE ABLE TO ENDURE ON BORROWED LIGHT. EACH WILL HAVE TO BE GUIDED BY THE LIGHT WITHIN HIMSELF. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE IT, HOW CAN YOU STAND?
- Heber C. Kimball, 1856

Abinadi!
Things that I was discissing with you were not mormon doctrine. I just have some ideas that I never claimed were true. I have some knowledge of mormon doctrine and according to what I know I have some ideas.
For example, I know from the prophets that God Son has God and Father. I can assume that it is very logical that God Father has His God and Father.
I know from the prophets that God needed material to make Adam or Eve. I may assume that God can not create something out of nothing.
I know that God is eternal. I may assume that He is eternal because He is organized from eternal matter. Things like that.
You said before that mormon doctrine is not plain and it is confusing. I disagree. We have ALL revelations that are necessary for our salvation. They are plain and simple. Things like outer darkness is not important for us in this life. We can not fully understand it and we can not use this knowledge in our daily lives. That is why God gave us limited information. But we ALL can ponder, think, talk about it. Just for fun.

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THE TIME WILL COME WHEN NO MAN OR WOMAN WILL BE ABLE TO ENDURE ON BORROWED LIGHT. EACH WILL HAVE TO BE GUIDED BY THE LIGHT WITHIN HIMSELF. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE IT, HOW CAN YOU STAND?
- Heber C. Kimball, 1856

Read again, please, I beg you: “will take up more time than I wish to”. The explanation is not simple, like, “Everything is matter” or “Everthing is spirit”. You believe God is matter, in fact everything is matter, even good and evil, so to explain the alternatives would require first explaining how the nature of God is not matter. As you seem to have little more than a materialistic perspective of God, it’s like trying to speak Latvian to someone who understands only Russian. No, I cannot, for you are a mormon, and reject on principle any evidence pointing to nonmatter. You have even claimed that evil is matter! There are many things that are not matter. One might ask, if “evil is matter, is anti-matter matter, is energy matter (not just convertible into matter, but is energy matter itself), are quark ‘charm’ and ‘flavor’ and ‘strangeness’ matter, is a location matter (not just determined by matter, but matter itself) and likewise height, width, and depth, are angles matter, are numbers matter, is a sequence matter, is morality matter, is space matter, is time matter, is a plan (the plan of salvation) matter, is free agency matter, is an illusion matter,

No, these are not matter. Many things that really exist are not matter. Marxism teaches that “spirit” (or any non-matter) is a product of matter, and Mao, trying to prop up the failing ideology, said that “Everything is matter in motion”. That was wishful thinking. I hope you don’t still hold to that ideology. To deconstruct that ideology is another case in which the explanation takes as much time as it does to inculcate the ideology in the first place. I’m not going to spend my time here doing that. But if you need help, I can suggests some books and sites for you to visit to disabuse yourself of your infatuation with dialectical materialism.

These types of questions usually bring my mind back to the Mormon claim that there is “opposition in all things”. Yet, no mormon yet has suggested what might be the opposition to some of these things, such as space, time and numbers. Mormon theology lacks pillars, so mormon arguments always crumble, leaving mormons to cover their heads with the Ostrich Blanket of Faith. If you say that both matter and spirit are matter, you are using the word “matter” in two different ways. One way is to refer to the physical universe. The earth, rocks, water, people’s bodies, are made of matter. The other way is to refer to “all that exists”. Not only are physical bodies made of matter, in this view even non-physical bodies are made of matter. Matter becomes a synonym for “stuff”. The word becomes ambiguous. It looses its meaning.

Matter is destructible. Solids can be dissolved, liquids evaporated, gasses dispersed, and all can be combined with other materials, and all can be reduced into their component parts. Therefore, God, if made of matter, can be taken apart into pieces. Prove it. In positive terms, prove that "harmony" is matter. Prove that "conscience" is matter. Prove that "morality" is matter. Prove that "time" is matter." Prove that an absolute vacuum (space) is matter. Choose one, or one of the others I listed elsewhere, and show that it is matter. Yes, what if there is? Are you saying it would be indivisible? Then it would not be matter. Matter occupies space. Anything that takes up space can be divided into smaller space-volumes. Chop chop. I prefer the Catholic and Muslim views. They believe God is “one”, a singular, unitary entity, indivisible, except in the sense that he can bring other things into existence. And no, not out of nothingness. Catholics and Muslims believe he created out of nothingness; Mormons, out of matter; me, out of . . . . . . “himself”. Then you believe in infinite regression, which is “physically” impossible.

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